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Poster: Marysz Date: May 08, 2004 11:25:23pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: When was this film actually made?

In answer to the question: did people actually dress and act like those ridiculous models? No, those models existed only in the imaginations of aging ad men trying to make a buck. My question is, why is this film dated 1969? I think most of the footage was actually shot earlier—maybe 1966-67. For one thing, neither the models nor any of the people in the street scenes are wearing bell bottoms, which would have been the case in ’69. And the Nehru jacket the man models was already out of style by then (actually it never was ever really in style)—and his haircut is very mid-sixties mod. The female model also dresses in a way that would have looked dated in ’69. I went to college in New York and my husband was a student at NYU in the late sixties and I remember the Village then. A more authentic film about that time in New York is “Columbia Revolt,” http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=prelinger&collectionid=05469a about the 1968 student uprising at Columbia University.

This post was modified by Marysz on 2004-05-09 06:25:07

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Poster: summerseve Date: May 09, 2004 12:57:51am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: When was this film actually made?

But don't you think a film made by the Cotton Institute would tend to be a couple of years behind the cutting edge of fashion? They certainly prove their cluelessness about other some things in this film...

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Poster: Marysz Date: May 09, 2004 01:25:32am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: When was this film actually made?

The street scenes without the models look equally dated. This looks like a mid-sixties, not late sixties film. Does anyone know what year the car models are in the street scenes? Are there any 1968 or '69 cars? That would establish when the film was really made.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 09, 2004 03:37:57pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: When was this film actually made?

You could make a pretty awful clipfilm by combining the images from the riot film with the narration from this one...

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Poster: GersonK Date: May 10, 2004 01:05:53pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: When was this film actually made?

At least one clue puts some of it as being shot ca. April 1968. At about 9:49 there's a shot of ads plastered to a wall - including one for New York Magazine with a story on "The City on the Eve of Destruction".
A googling shows it as the third(!) issue, 4/22/68.
http://www.pastpaper.com/List-TravelNewYork.htm

Not very helpful in dating it, but still interseting (I think) is that the building featured around 9:15, the Jefferson Market courthouse had just begun its life as a library branch:
http://nypl.org/branch/local/man/jmrinfo.html
http://nypl.org/branch/local/man/jmr.cfm
http://wotan.liu.edu/~amatsuuchi/historical_timeline.html

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Poster: Marysz Date: May 10, 2004 01:49:36pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Why are the Bohemians so bogus?

Thanks for checking the dates out! I stand corrected. I guess parts of the film were made in '68 after all . . . what about other parts of the film like the “party in the garret of a bohemian friend,” where some of the guests have donned jaunty berets and sunglasses for the filmaker's benefit? It's a suburbanite's ersatz version of bohemia.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 11, 2004 02:14:24am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Why are the Bohemians so bogus?

I kept expecting Joe Friday to bust them all.

"Don't inhale, Joe, you'll get higher than Apollo 8!"

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Poster: GersonK Date: May 11, 2004 11:17:37am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Why are the Bohemians so bogus?

To paraphrase Joel Hodgson - "If these people are Bohemians, then my mom's a Bohemian. And she's not!"

I've put together an album at the yahoo group (guess it's still worth having the group and this board) demonstrating the range of fashions at the party:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/archivemovieoftheweekgroup/lst

There are actually maybe only five people with really "stagey" outfits at the party. (Other than our 'stars'. And two more in sunglasses - indoors. Flout those conventions, baby!)

The rest are in fairly believable, if not very Bohemian, outfits. But as others have alluded to - exactly what is a Bohemian supposed to look like?


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Poster: Marysz Date: May 11, 2004 02:01:09pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: What does a Bohemian look like?

It's a good question. The people at the party look too well off and too well-groomed to be really "bohemian." They're way too socially acceptable. And what about where the party's held? I wouldn't exactly call it a "garret." It's seems to be the ground floor of a high-priced row house.

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Poster: ZlataHudba Date: May 11, 2004 02:09:24pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Why are the Bohemians so bogus?

The real question is how did a region, Bohemia, in the Czech Republic get such a reputation? Probably from the Pucini Opera...
How about...What was Shakespeare thinking when he wrote "Thou art perfect then our ship hath touched upon the deserts of Bohemia" in The Winter's Tale? ...pretty silly when you realize Bohemia is land locked!!!

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Poster: summerseve Date: May 12, 2004 12:14:14am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: the word "Bohemian"

Wikipedia has a nice explanation of the term here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism
Turns out it was born of French ignorance and condescension. Go figure...

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Poster: Marysz Date: May 12, 2004 06:04:53am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: the word 'Bohemian'

Thanks for the link. I particularly like the quote "Literary 'bohemians' were associated in the French imagination with roving gypsies, outsiders apart from conventional society and untroubled by its disapproval, perhaps also a connotation of being the bearers of arcane enlightenment (the opposite of 'Philistines') and perhaps silently accused too of being careless of personal hygiene. " Does that apply to anybody we see in RFD Greenwhich Village?

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